Then & Now

[Phil]

Such shortsightedness.
I suppose, Phil, there is a connection between the former Great Barr Hall owners, and the name of the Scott Arms.

Yes The name for the Scott Arms was taken from the Scott family and in fact bears the coat of arms of that family.

[JudithM]

Two buildings that I  mentioned recently on another thread, these buildings are being allowed to crumble by their owners for no other reason that they are surplus to requirement and not worth the cost of repair to the owners.


The first one is great Barr Hall once home to the Scott family who replaced the house that was there (Nether House) with the Hall. Since then it has had many owners and is now owned by a consortium of local residents.


The Second one is The Golden Lion Inn, that was moved from the High Street Deritend by the Birmingham Archaeology Society in 1911. It too is now in a very poor state of repair, owned by Birmingham City Council who deem it surplus to requirement and are just allowing it to crumble.

The thing that annoys me the most about The Golden Lion is the Council's unwillingness to let anyone step to help.

[Phil]

The thing that annoys me the most about The Golden Lion is the Council's unwillingness to let anyone step to help.

The thing is Judith, the parks department just doesn't want it there any more. Lets face it once it was put back in order there would need to be regular maintenance schedule or else it would regress to the same as today, with a listed building that costs money. They can't just get rid of it, but nobody can force them to repair it, so when it becomes a danger to the public, they just apply to demolish on the grounds of public safety.

[Phil]

Smithfield Digbeth opposite the Manzil Restaurant and Digbeth police Station.

[JudithM]

The thing is Judith, the parks department just doesn't want it there any more. Lets face it once it was put back in order there would need to be regular maintenance schedule or else it would regress to the same as today, with a listed building that costs money. They can't just get rid of it, but nobody can force them to repair it, so when it becomes a danger to the public, they just apply to demolish on the grounds of public safety.

I'm sure one of the companies that specialises in restoration of historic & listed buildings would love to be able to use it as a training tool, a building for their trainees to work on to hone the skills they require.

I'm sure, if restored a use for it could be found.  Would be better if it could be taken down & re-built in a more prominent location rather than hidden away in a corner of a park, but even where it is it could be a little museum or community hub.

[Phil]

I'm sure one of the companies that specialises in restoration of historic & listed buildings would love to be able to use it as a training tool, a building for their trainees to work on to hone the skills they require.

I'm sure, if restored a use for it could be found.  Would be better if it could be taken down & re-built in a more prominent location rather than hidden away in a corner of a park, but even where it is it could be a little museum or community hub.

Judith


There was talk at one time of returning it to Deritend somewhere by the Old Crown, but that must have fell through. I'm sure that the Avoncroft Museum of Historical Buildings would be glad to accept it and it would cost Birmingham Council and the Parks Department nothing to get it moved and it would be saved and put to good use.


https://avoncroft.org.uk/

[JudithM]

Judith


There was talk at one time of returning it to Deritend somewhere by the Old Crown, but that must have fell through. I'm sure that the Avoncroft Museum of Historical Buildings would be glad to accept it and it would cost Birmingham Council and the Parks Department nothing to get it moved and it would be saved and put to good use.


https://avoncroft.org.uk/

The Avoncroft museum is great  .  I'm sure it would be most welcome there, though ideally, a return to as near it's original home & use once more as a public building would be better.

With the whole Digbeth/Deritend area now so up & coming & trendy it would be an ideal time for it to be reinstated.

[Phil]

Looking along Tyburn Road toward the start of Gravelly Hill.

[JudithM]

Looking along Tyburn Road toward the start of Gravelly Hill.

What is the time difference between the 1st & 2nd images?

[Phil]

Judith


The first image is tagged 1922 and the second 1966, Although I have learned over the years never to put too much faith in the information with old photos, I would say in this case neither would be that far out if indeed they are.

[astoness]

I'm sure one of the companies that specialises in restoration of historic & listed buildings would love to be able to use it as a training tool, a building for their trainees to work on to hone the skills they require.

I'm sure, if restored a use for it could be found.  Would be better if it could be taken down & re-built in a more prominent location rather than hidden away in a corner of a park, but even where it is it could be a little museum or community hub.

hi judith...i put those ideas forward to a couple of councillors about 4 years back.....the response as usual was negative...after years of trying to save various buildings i have given up now as birmingham city council could not give a dam about saving our old buildings and they do not get much older than the golden lion


lyn