Townie,having nothing to do at the moment I've just gone through some of the old threads and saw one you asked what was my trade,After leaving school in 54 I did an apprentice ship as a Motor Mechanic,in66 I got fed up with the dirt and grease and started at Johnny Wrights gas cookers as an assembler,in 69 started at Fishers,C Bromwich spot welding,left because of all the strikes in 79,started Lorry driving,business foldedin 82 got a job as aPostman in central Brum on parcels,in 84 we bought a Hotel inMargate in Kent had that for 5 years sold it because of cheap holidays in Spain, got myself a job making amusement machines after 4 years left got a job making Lift Cars, going up to London and fitting them in the Lift Shafts in office blocks, The started my own gardening business in1995,the rest is history.Hope you like the little story of my life,as I have had no particular trade.Keep well edmund.