Thanks Brian i thought it was i only drank in there once i knew dave lived by there so i kind of guessed it might have been your local. was the monkey house it,s real name or was it a nickname,was it a Cider house.There are a few photos on the forum of the local pubs The Manor on the corner of Duddeston Mill Rd---Cato St, The Victoria on the corner of Inkerman St which i,m sure you will remember. Iv,e never seen one of the Monk though. Dek