Hi"again John Lerwil, the mist of time is getting thicker every year, but maybe, and I mean maybe, you used to go to a coffee bar come folk club, in the center of Brum, half way down a small side street called St Johns passage, it was in Corporation St, on the right, and up stairs every Saturday night, they had a guy who sat on a stool and played the guitar, he started around 10 in the evening, with a full bottle of whiskey next to him, by 3.am it was almost empty, ( I think he must have had hollow legs to drink that much in one sitting ) but his music was out of this world, I used to get there around 9.pm, so I could get a good seat, and me picking the best seat at a four seater table, the dolly birds would ask if there was a seat free, I picked up some posh birds there some times, and some diesel dorks to at times, ............