john 2000, have a photo of hope street football team , with pat roach in it , dont know whether it was taken in your time, iwill try to copy it and post when it is ready , edward road is still open i believe , ithink most of the villains from hope street may have ended up at mosely street , police house , remember the kellys out of hope street , the family ran a scrap yard , also jimmy rose, glad to see you back on the site , your post on egypt "first class rwm.