att Mick Poole, sorry it has taken so long but I've finally managed to get Phil holmes photo on here courtesy of John Fry, Phil suggested that i send this one which was taken in 1960 which was about the time you used to knock about together, hopefully it is him that you remember after all the messing about trying to get it on here but he remembers you so i think we've got it right, just to say thanks to Frederick , and the admin guys for all your advice and help with this, the instructions were spot on but my old pc could not cope, John Fry came to the rescue so thanks for that John.